I was thinking of Selling my "I am Jim Moray EP"...but I'm not now.

Hi all,

Anyone interested in an original copy of the EP?

Thought about listing it on ebay, but probably better to reach a real fan here.

I bought it via mail order after seeing Jim perform his showcase slot in the club tent at the Cambridge Folk Festival many years ago (before SE came out).

I've now got two kids and another car seat to buy, and having this sat on my shelf is getting too tempting to ignore.

I've not really looked at the prices of these recently, but a completed listings search on eBay shows this one ebay link

Anyone interested?

Thanks,
Col



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/30/2012 11:24PM by cnm.

I hope you manage to sell your EP and make a few bob but come
on £60 is a Pi** Take, music is meant to be Loved and listened to.
I know its NOT you Mate but its things like this that I Hate about
Record Shop Day. :-(
Come on Jim re-release this EP again and help to stop Idiots getting
ripped off.
Good Luck with your EP Mate. :-)

Peace,
Andrew.

Valentine Wrote:
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> I hope you manage to sell your EP and make a few
> bob but come
> on £60 is a Pi** Take, music is meant to be Loved
> and listened to.
> I know its NOT you Mate but its things like this
> that I Hate about
> Record Shop Day. :-(
> Come on Jim re-release this EP again and help to
> stop Idiots getting
> ripped off.
> Good Luck with your EP Mate. :-)
>
> Peace,
> Andrew.


Cheers Andrew. Ignoring the money for a moment back before the internet and downloading I'd spend many happy hours trawling through record fairs and shops to find that ellusive LP I was after, parting with hard earned cash, but feeling like I'd found the holy grail. I miss that now that so much is available to download, the hunt has gone, it's just too easy so if anything that devalves the art.

I'm a musician myself and if a home produced EP I made many years ago became sort after I'd be chuffed (although my stuff is more likely sat on a dusty shelf of a charity shop).

Anyway I've got other priorities in my life now, and for whatever reason the market value for this might well be a p*ss take, but I can't ignore it. As I said in my original post I'd rather make sure it goes to a real fan, and here's a better place for that than taking a chance on eBay.

Regards,
Col

Hi Col,

Dont get wrong Mate I wish you all the best with selling your EP. :-)
I just find it sad that things like that price on Ebay and its the same
with some people buying "Big Name" artists concert tickets and within a
minute they are on Ebay and Very inflated prices.
I am lot older than I would say most people are on this list and so I have
quite a few LP`s that are worth a Lot of money these days and I do find that sad.
I just want to say that when there was an online lottery a few years ago to win the
right to buy tickets for the Ahmet Ertegun tribute concert at the 02 here in London
that was featuring the "Reformed" Led Zeppelin.
Would you believe that I actually won and so I could buy 2 of the £125 tickets.
I thought Great as I live just 1 stop away from the 02 on the Jubilee Line,
but sadly the Fates was against me and I suffered 2 Heart Attacks and I was let
out of the hospital on the afternoon of the flipping Gig. :-(
I told my partnet to still go (although she didnt want to) and I sold my ticket
for what it cost me plus booking fee.
I could have sold it for at least £1,000 you know but I wanted it to go to a true fan
and not a Ruddy Tout!
Perhaps I should sell my copy of I Am Jim Moray now. :-)

Peace,
Andrew.


PS,

What sort of music do you play Col and where can I
hear some Mate?




cnm Wrote:
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> Valentine Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I hope you manage to sell your EP and make a
> few
> > bob but come
> > on £60 is a Pi** Take, music is meant to be
> Loved
> > and listened to.
> > I know its NOT you Mate but its things like
> this
> > that I Hate about
> > Record Shop Day. :-(
> > Come on Jim re-release this EP again and help
> to
> > stop Idiots getting
> > ripped off.
> > Good Luck with your EP Mate. :-)
> >
> > Peace,
> > Andrew.
>
>
> Cheers Andrew. Ignoring the money for a moment
> back before the internet and downloading I'd spend
> many happy hours trawling through record fairs and
> shops to find that ellusive LP I was after,
> parting with hard earned cash, but feeling like
> I'd found the holy grail. I miss that now that so
> much is available to download, the hunt has gone,
> it's just too easy so if anything that devalves
> the art.
>
> I'm a musician myself and if a home produced EP I
> made many years ago became sort after I'd be
> chuffed (although my stuff is more likely sat on a
> dusty shelf of a charity shop).
>
> Anyway I've got other priorities in my life now,
> and for whatever reason the market value for this
> might well be a p*ss take, but I can't ignore it.
> As I said in my original post I'd rather make sure
> it goes to a real fan, and here's a better place
> for that than taking a chance on eBay.
>
> Regards,
> Col

OK Col, how do you propose doing this. I'd like it, as I'm sure many people who post on here would, but the idea of having a lot of people trying to outbid each other on this Forum seems a bit unseemly (grammatically incorrect I'm sure). Any ideas ?

Also, how about giving 50% of the winning bid to Jim, or the winner giving an equal sum to Jim, whichever is easier. That way the artist will benefit too, unlike with the e-bay scrabble that both you and Andrew are correctly criticising.

Hmmm good point (can you tell I've not fully thought this through yet).

If a few people are interested we could somehow agree on a price, then I could run it as a raffle style draw. All interested parties get their name put in a hat (maybe not physically a hat of course). I can then film the draw and put it on YouTube for you all to see. Winner gets to buy the CD from me at the agreed price.

How's that sound?

Of course the $64m dollar question is what the price should be.

But as a concept how's that sound?

Col




MATTG Wrote:
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> OK Col, how do you propose doing this. I'd like
> it, as I'm sure many people who post on here
> would, but the idea of having a lot of people
> trying to outbid each other on this Forum seems a
> bit unseemly (grammatically incorrect I'm sure).
> Any ideas ?
>
> Also, how about giving 50% of the winning bid to
> Jim, or the winner giving an equal sum to Jim,
> whichever is easier. That way the artist will
> benefit too, unlike with the e-bay scrabble that
> both you and Andrew are correctly criticising.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/26/2012 09:06PM by cnm.

Hmmm. This gives me mixed feelings. I want Col to get a good price for it because he needs the money for other stuff (and don't worry - I don't want a cut as was suggested above - it's your property to sell as you want!). But also, I don't want to drive the price up any more. I find the whole thing embarrassing because its just not very good. Like having drawings you made in wax crayon as a child traded for silly money in later life. I'm flattered and a bit proud in one tiny way, but horrified that anyone would be paying £60 for that particular set of songs and then might either judge me by it, or be disappointed with what they'd got after that kind of outlay.

And anything I say will only make the situation worse. If I state categorically that it won't be re-issued then that pushes the price up more. And maybe reissuing it is the only way to stem the rising price of the EP. But then, reissuing it would present it as a 'proper' record and part of a body of work and would actually be quite damaging to my 'track record'. If you know what I mean.

If I could afford to, I'd slowly buy the records back each time they appear on ebay and keep them in a locked cupboard here...

P.S. I understand and sort of agree with Andrew's point of view on selling on records for more than they are worth, but I have a confession to make. During my five months of having no gigs, Christmas was funded by the sale of a signed copy of the *very* rare first Muse EP. It didn't reach what some copies have, the buyer was overjoyed at a Christmas present for their son, and I didn't need to hang on to it any more. And I desperately needed some income having spent all my money on making Skulk.

Thanks Jim. Sorry that you're not keen on the material (although with the greatest respect you're wrong ;-) there's some great moments on there, and for a fan you can see the roots of some of the ideas explored on Sweet England and beyond.

Lemady is a great intro with the vocal looping, quite haunting really

Poverty Knock is just wonderfull, and a firm favorite of mine.

As I Roved Out really sounds like a forerunner for the Sweet England album, excellent arrangement.

Fair Sally's more traditional arrangement works really well (just acoustic guitar and vocals for those you haven't heard it).

The Bonny Black Hare works less well I'll admit, but still it's part of your history and who doesn't chuckle at those lyrics!

Come With Me has a great string arrangement and again points a clear sign post to what would come next.

Don't be ashamed of it Jim!

How about putting just one of those songs in the set for Warwick this year?

I'm not in a position to have an opinion on "I Am Jim Moray" specifically, as I think the only track off it I've actually ever heard is "Poverty Knock" (which I'm guessing Jim likes, at least a bit, seeing as he put it on The Beginner's Guide).

In general terms, though, while I've never seen the point of people paying silly money for the bright green Japanese import version of an album with exactly the same versions of exactly the same songs on it as the black vinyl English copy they already have, I do understand when it's a completely separate deleted album by an artist they love and they just want it because they really want to hear the material (even more so when it's a band that has now split up, so they're never going to be producing any more of it).

Some of the artists I like are quite disparaging about their early work (David Sylvian has, I think, gone as far as describing people who still listen to Japan records as "pathetic", which is, IMO, just plain rude!). I think, though, that sometimes it's even harder for an artist to be completely objective about earlier work than it is for fans - even if it's really good, you just don't have the same emotional investment in it and excitement about it that you do for your current work.

I'm not a completist at all and rarely go down the e-Bay route, but I must admit there are a couple of long-deleted 80s post-punk albums that I would probably pay more money than I can afford for if I ever saw them up for sale.

What's happening then Col ? Are we under starters orders or not. I wouldn't be surprised if you decide not to sell it now. You're clearly a true fan of Jim, who got into his music right from the start. You've beaten my by at least five years I'm ashamed to say. I'd keep it if I were you, you'll only regret it if you sell it.

As someone suggested previously (under a different topic heading I think), perhaps the way around the dilemma that Jim has (as per his post above), is to put the tracks out as some sort of download - maybe to the IMH Club members only, or just to the people who have bothered to register on this Forum, or even to everyone. I'll admit that people like me would still like to have a copy of the original CD, and would still be prepared to pay a premium, but it might just stop 'silly money' being asked for it.

If it were done this way I don't think that people would regard it as a 'new' release. If you're still in doubt Jim, take a leaf out of the book of one of your heroes, Adam Ant no less. When he started having hit records, his back catalogue all got re-released. I think that people realised it was old stuff and not new stuff, and it didn't damage his legacy in any way, even though there was some dodgy material in there (Young Parisians anyone?), there were also some gems such as Cartrouble (sic). (I've always wanted Jim to have a crack at covering Cartrouble).

So how about it then Jim - the download that is, I'm guessing that there's more chance of that than an Ant cover.